quarta-feira, 3 de junho de 2009

Koolhaas kids comes to age



Bom galerinha do barulho... esse texto fala um pouco do "futuro"... uma entrevista com Joshua Prince-Ramus, ex-aluno e ex-sócio do Koolhaas falando de como é trabalhar com ele e agora seguir escritório próprio (REX, roubado do OMA-NY)... acho que apesar do tamanho, vale a pena dar uma conferida, e treinar o inglês.
E pra quem curtir, vale a pena essa palestra dele no TED Talks (também em inglês)

FEBRUARY 23, 2006
Architecture
By Andrew Blum

The Koolhaas Kids Come of Age
Joshua Prince-Ramus explains why disciples of Rem Koolhaas are moving beyond the iconic Dutch architect's ideas, with a more collaborative style

Rem Koolhaas, the Dutch architect famous for his coy theories on cities -- and, more recently, for dramatic and cerebral buildings such as the Seattle Central Library -- casts a long shadow. No one knows this better than Joshua Prince-Ramus, the majority owner and lead partner of the New York branch of the Office of Metropolitan Architecture (OMA), the firm Koolhaas founded in Rotterdam in 1975. Prince-Ramus and his colleagues are currently designing a theater for the Dallas Performing Arts Center, an art museum and mixed-use complex in Louisville, and an academic building at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.
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But they are also engaged in creating a new paradigm for architecture firms -- one that forcefully questions the mantle of fame bequeathed to them by Koolhaas, and with it the idea of architecture as an art form defined by independent geniuses. Instead, they are creating a methodology that fosters innovation with a collaborative, highly conceptual approach they describe as "hyper-rational." More importantly, it argues that dramatic, energizing, eye-popping architecture need no longer be the exclusive domain of celebrity architects and their indulgent clients.

BusinessWeek Online Contributing Editor Andrew Blum spoke with Prince-Ramus at OMA's office in New York, the week before the architect headed out to the TED Conference in Monterrey, Calif.

The completion -- to incredible acclaim -- of the Seattle Central Library in 2004 highlighted your conceptual, research-based approach to architecture. Can you describe it?
We believe in a hyper-rational process where you accept the constraints, conditions, and challenges of a project, and you attempt to engage them by going back to first principles. You don't accept any convention. If someone says, "This is how you solve that problem," you give them the bird. You just say, "I don't want to hear it."

Can you give me an example?
A good example is the [Charles and Dee Wyly Theatre] in Dallas. The theater consultant kept saying that the fly tower has to be a concrete structure like this and this and this. But we said, "Don't give us predigested solutions. Tell us what it needs to do, and let us figure out how to build it." We truly wanted to go back to first principles: What does it mean to create an acoustic enclosure?

Our observation is that if you do this hyper-rational, almost dumb process of taking everything back to first principles, it's tiring as hell, but you start to construct something that has never been done before -- something that transcends convention. The [Seattle Central Library] is another example. I have never presented that project on formal terms. I always take people through the logic of it, and every move in that project was obsessively rational -- to a fault, even.


But isn't there some conceit in that? At some point, aren't you trying to make it pretty?
[The] Seattle [Central Library] is ugly -- or some people think so. When we first unveiled it, it made people uncomfortable, because it had never been seen before. People also said the Sydney Opera House and the Eiffel Tower and [the Guggenheim] Bilbao were vile when they were unveiled. That's not to say if something's vile, that means it's good.

But with Seattle, we learned a really important lesson: Whenever we tried to make an ugly angle beautiful, it fell apart -- it didn't look good at all. The building started to look cute, and therefore didn't work -- it became just a silly shape. The reason we use the word "performance" to talk about our work is that form also performs. It's not to say that we don't look at it and evaluate it on aesthetic terms. But we don't start there.

Did you learn this hyper-rational approach from Rem Koolhaas?
I would say definitely Rem was the original author. And the reason I say "original" is because I don't think he's always that comfortable with the way we work in [the] New York [office]. Either he's changed or we've changed. But he often levels the critique that we build the argument so tight that there's no room for anyone to maneuver. And my response to him is: "You're starting to design more as a virtuoso, not as a thinker."

But there has been a very important reason -- aside from the fact that it happens to also be our affinity -- why we're doing what we're doing in New York. We couldn't get away with virtuosity! Rem can. Rem stamps his feet, throws a tantrum, and people are going to listen. If I do it, I'm going to get fired.

I have to have a different palette. People won't question his work. They will mine. I -- or whoever is presenting -- need to build up an argument that is undeniable, irrefutable, that cannot be toppled. And often that's when Rem levels the criticism that he feels straitjacketed by what we're doing. And I say, "That's because that's the only way that we, sans you, are going to get to this conclusion."

But without Rem's "virtuosity" -- or at least without the fame he has achieved as an architect -- there's no way you'd be able to even get the projects you're getting. So can you really move past the "star architect" model?
It's a good question. The danger we could fall into is that I will become the replacement for Rem. I'm one of the few Americans in the office, I'm more articulate in English, I've been here longer, and I own the company. So it's easy for me to do that. But if we're going to survive doing what we're doing, it can't happen.

So you have to become the public face of the firm, while acknowledging the collaborative nature of the design?
There will always be different roles here, but to be successful, it's incumbent on us that everyone sees themselves in a different role, not a better or worse role. So it's very important to me that you mention the others.

Say their names now.
Erez Ella, David Chacon, Gregers Tang Thomsen, Robert Donnelly, Selva Gurdogan, Tim Archambault, Vanessa Kassabian, Vincent Bandy. That's the core. That's the group that fights on a daily basis -- with each other, for the project, with the client, against the client.

You recently revealed the design for Museum Plaza in downtown Louisville -- a combined art museum and mixed-use development. How did a speculative, developer-driven project mesh with your process?
With Louisville, we had a very unusual problem. Normally a developer says, "I see an opportunity, and I want to maximize that opportunity. And then maybe I'm going to throw some culture at it to push it through." But this was the inverse. They started out with a kernel, which was about art. And to pay for that, [the project's speculative office and housing] had to be very efficient.

But when we first started talking about the project, we didn't know how big it was or how much it was going to cost or how big the museum was going to be -- nobody knew. So we tackled those things as a group. And the commitment we made early on is that we would take [the developers'] economic drivers very very seriously. Instead of resisting a developer's imperatives, we said, "Cool, interesting, let's make the best of their problem."

So that means you're designing within those constraints?
We're seeing constraints as opportunities. It's not like we're getting around the constraints. We're saying, "The project's just the constraints." If we can solve the constraints, that's where the form will come, that's where the beauty will come, that's where the logic will come. And more likely than not, you can get it built, you can get it financed, you can get it on budget.

It's certainly different from an architect sketching a building on the back of a cocktail napkin.
If it takes an unlimited budget and a client willing to walk off the edge, then architecture is only able to work in 0.1 of 0.1% of the projects in the world. That means that architecture will only happen when the skies open up and clients come from heaven. Architecture should be able to happen with a developer.

What kind of projects does OMA New York want to work on?
We want to work on kinds of projects we've never worked on before. We would be very nervous to do another library right now. Frankly, it would be hard. We truly believe we solved the problem last time.

But I would be equally concerned that we would be a bit bored, because we feel we already know the project well, and that we have so much conviction that we'd fail to go back to first principles. Until we get tired, that's the way we're going to do things. Maybe then we'll make some money and get the beach house, and the senior people will show up once a week.


Ass.: Thiago

10 comentários:

Thiago Maso disse...

"The reason because we use the word 'performance' to talk about our work is that form also performs" e o processo hiper-racional que ele cita são meus favoritos... da pra comparar tambem com as entrevistas do BIG e do JDS e ver que essa galera ta evoluindo algumas ideias do Koolhaas mesmo, boa inspiração pra gente...

Unknown disse...

"don´t give us predigested solutiond. tell us what it needs to do, and let us figure out how to build it!!"
hauahuahuahauhauhuahuahuahuahua

mas a pergunta eh: qual eh o proximo passo depois desses caras!?

Thiago Maso disse...

ah yoshi vai se ferrar.. vc nao gosta do van berkel nao acredito...
passe um tempo no site dele procurando todas as bolinhas com dicas escondidas nos projetos...
www.unstudio.com
hahaha

Unknown disse...

pior q eu jah rodei o site dele inteiro..... ele tah nos meus favoritos!! hauhauhauhauahuahauhuahuahuahuahu!!

e naum eh que eu goste, mas akele predio da mercedes naum faz jus ao que o UNstudio faz.... soh isso...

o teatro spikenisse(eh assim q c erscreve neh?)ou os escritoria da La Defense saum beeem melhores.. eh que a gnt tava numa discussão de arquitetura digital, e o da mercedes naum foi um bom exemplo...

sem falar que esses caras saum sim importantes, mas saum que nem o mies:passado... qual eh o proximo?

acho interressante que eles redescobriram oq pessoas como o dali e o lecorbusier descobriram...
a ligação entre arte e midia, arquitetura e midia.... hj, se vc for pensar, a gnt poderia vender os nossos projetos ou fazer uma propaganda do nosso escritorio na televisão, no horário da novela, com uma paresenteção nivel oma, rex, big, a galera ia comprar ou pelo marketing ou soh pq achou impressionante, sem saber oq realmente significa....

Thiago Maso disse...

ahhh cara, acho o mercedes um marco da arquitetura digital.. so foi possivel imaginar e criar ele a partir do computador... e discordo mesmo q eles sejam passado.. sao uma bela tendencia desse verao.. tao junto c o big/rex ai, so q partem pra uma outra linha, talvez mais marketing/media/interacao mesmo..

e quanto a fazer propaganda... eu nao acho q seja errado.. aquilo q a gente falou.. eu queria ter tantos clientes e possibilidades qto meu ex-escritorio hehe, so q usar isso para o bem, fazer boa arquitetura pq as pessoas q querem uma casa com marca, pagariam por isso... nao vejo nada de errado nisso... nao adianta nem ser bom e ninguem te conhecer, e nem ser conhecido e construir um monte, e fazer so lixo...

Thiago Maso disse...

ah, e so pra galera que nao conhece eles ver...
http://www.unstudio.com/studio/design/design-models
tem umas explicacoezinhas dos conceitos deles...

e vamos cobrar o humber pra ele comprar o MOVE pra q todo mundo possa ler hahaha

Yoshi disse...

hauhauhaua

tendencia do veraum!! ahauauahua
que seja, concordo que eh um marco da arquiteutra digital, mas naum considero um bom projeto, e naum se compara aos outros do unstudio... eh legal e tal, mas eles jah fizeram projetos melhores... aih vem o gosto, naum digo que naum gosto de arquitetura digital, muito pelo contrario, curto muito e acho que esse eh o futuro msmo.. ( ver posts anteriores... hauauahuah)

e quanto a propaganda, naum disse que era algo ruim... ao contrario, questionei da possibilidade de vendermos nossa arquitetura assim... acho muito massa... imagine se vc visse uns videos do oma, rex, big, etc.. muita gnt compraria soh pelo video... e sem falar de outras formas de approach... esses caras entenderam isso... e eh louvavel, de certo modo...

Thiago Maso disse...

ah ta tinha entendido q vc tava reclamando do tipo, vai ser vendido uma imagem e nao os conceitos, ai quem comprar vai acabar caindo na mesma q comprar um projeto de um arquiteto fashion de hoje em dia (sem citar exemplos haha).. mas eh isso ae, espero q meu escritorio use o marketing mto bem..
na real, as melhores aulas q eu tive no cefet foram as de marketing, economia e administracao.. falta mto a gente ter essa nocao de que vendemos um produto, fruto entre outras coisas do nosso conhecimento, competencia, seriedade e (principalmente) imagem... acho que seria mto bom pra todo arquiteto alem de ser um bom arquiteto, ter essas nocoes de como se vender...

Pedro disse...

O discurso do seu Ramus nao eh coerente com sua pratica.
Esse conceito de hyper racionalidade me parece mais uma forma de tentar explicar/vender as próprias idéias para leigos do que realmente o processo que ocorre. Nao importa quanto o Prince (yeah) fale, nao vou acreditar que a solucao ou predio eh bom soh porque eh resultado de uma lógica "irrefutável". Se fosse assim bastaria jogar todos os problemas e perguntas em cumputador e esperar pelo resultado "correto". O conceito e programa podem ser exaustivamente discutidos e trabalhados "logicamente" mas a transicao disso para uma construcao eh algo completamente subjetivo.
Se a ciência ja aceitou sua propria subjetividade e superou a lógica pura por que esse conceito seria coerente na arquitetura?
Até mesmo o Koolhaas critica esse excesso de confianca na propria logica. Nao quero dizer que nao gosto do resultado final. A busca insessante pela raiz do problema, as proposicoes de reorganizacao programatica e muitas vezes o resultado espacial/formal obtidos sao geniais, e por isso mesmo caoticos, subjetivos únicos e ilógicos.

Thiago Maso disse...

mas eu nao acho que dentro da "hiperracionalidade" esteja excluido automaticamente a busca pelo "bonito". talvez bonito nao seja o termo ideal, nao eh o bonito no sentido "harmonico, proporcional, gosto do cliente" ate q ele cita ali que nao busca, nao eh isso, mas um bonito em criar espaços ricos, diversos e agradáveis. acho que essa subjetividade do "agrado" que ele consegue (afinal, a qualidade espacial da biblioteca, ou dos outros porjetos dele no site pelo menos, eh inegavel) deriva sim de uma busca por essa "beleza".
na minha opiniao quando ele se pergunta "qual a melhor maneira de botar esse parafuso?" ele ta buscando a mais economica, estruturalmente ideal, e porque nao, bonita...

agora, o bonito que ele se refere como conceito fora do hiperracionalismo acredito estar mais ligado ao "exterior formal" do predio, à uma ideia pré-concebida de objeto harmonico e proporcional que agrada o cliente (ver discussoes no topico do chelsea barracks), o que acho que ele nao tem mesmo...